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Tim Sharp
United Kingdom
294 Posts |
 Posted - 27/04/2017 : 17:19:42
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I am progressing with the build of PB 0685 as a hillclimb car. DVLA have allocated an age related plate of VXS 544 but I am aware this is not the original.
The car was built on 7 January 1936 (from factory records) and registered in Bournemouth by Knott Bros Ltd who sold it to a Miss M U Paul on 26 March 1036 (from MGCC records).
I have visited Dorset History Centre where the records show that Knott Brothers registrations for the first 3 months of 1936 totaled 12 vehicles (including 4 Terraplanes) of which 2 were MG's. (So i'm happy I have the correct set of records.)
The two MG's are BRU 284 registered on 18 February 1936 and BRU 678 registered on 24 March 1936. As ever there is nothing in the records to link a registration to a chassis number.
Does anybody out there have any information on the use of these registrations to perhaps eliminate one or the other. Or anything else that might help fill in the trail?
Thanks in advance.
Regards
Tim
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Peter Scully
United Kingdom
157 Posts |
Posted - 28/04/2017 : 11:20:38
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Tim
Have you tried the Kithead Trust (www.kitheadtrust.org.uk)? They hold many of the paper licencing records for vehicles registered up to about 1948, although there are some gaps. For £10 per registration number they will search their records and may be able to determine which number, if any, matches to your chassis number. For a further £30 they will provide two certified copies of the records which should be sufficient for the DVLA to reissue the original number.
I have just used their services myself and await the DVLA response to my request for the correct registration number to be allocated to my car.
Good luck,
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Tim Sharp
United Kingdom
294 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2017 : 08:51:54
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I have been advised off Forum that in the 1993 Triple-M Register list PB0685 was owned by George May. Is this gentlemen known to anybody or are there any known contact details. I have searched the computerised members list but cannot find his name, he may of course used a nickname.
Thanks in advance
Tim
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Oz34
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/05/2017 : 09:47:39
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I think I'm right Tim that George lived in Spithurst near Lewes in Sussex. He's probably long gone, but it might be a starting point.
Good luck,
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JCB
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/05/2017 : 10:25:48
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Dear Tim and Forum:
DVLA database search revealed BRU 284 not known.
BRU 678 on a Ford and orange.
So, as long as you are happy with BRU 284 the option is clear.
All the best.
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Colin Butchers
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/05/2017 : 10:56:55
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Dave is correct. George May lived in Barcombe or Spithurst near Lewes and I am fairly sure that he passed away some years ago. He was a good friend of one of our M.G. friends who lives in Burgess Hill, Brian Rhead and who is thankfully still around. I will contact Brian and report back in a few days time.
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Edited by - Colin Butchers on 11/05/2017 10:59:19 |
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Tim Sharp
United Kingdom
294 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2017 : 13:00:49
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Colin
Thanks for that, I will await with interest.
Regards
Tim
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MG Maverick
United Kingdom
1045 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2017 : 13:42:54
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Peter, who did you contact to sign section five of the V765, the declaration from the Vehicle Owners Club, is there somebody in the Brighton area who could inspect my J2353, I have the Kithead Trust information necessary to validate. Thanks
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Tim Sharp
United Kingdom
294 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2017 : 14:45:29
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John
You say "the option is clear", but I am not. I have nothing definitive to link the registration to the chassis number which is what I understand DVLA will need to agree to allocate the number. Or am I being naive?
Regards
Tim
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PB0685 - Nuneaton |
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sas
United Kingdom
73 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2017 : 20:01:56
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No Tim, the option is not clear at all. In fact you do not have options per se, the DVLA do not just allocate a previously issued reg number unless the evidence is overwhelming, which in your case, is currently sadly lacking.
The BRU 678 reg number is actually on a 1936 Ford model 18 convertible, whether from 1st issue, i do not know, but all the Bournemouth C.B.C., which was then in Hampshire, BRU followed by numerals 1 - 999 plates were issued between Jan and April 1936.
True, BRU 284 does not appear on any searches i've done, which it should if taxed or on SORN. But it wo'nt if either voided or on retention.
Regards - Sean. |
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pauly45
United Kingdom
435 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2017 : 21:20:43
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Hi,
Can I ask - if there was overwhelming evidence that BRU678 did actually belong to Tim's PB, would the DVLA then take it off the Ford and allocate it to the PB?
Regards
Paul.
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sas
United Kingdom
73 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2017 : 22:07:33
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In short Paul, not in a Million years, it simply will never happen, even if the evidence was overwhelming.
What is worth remembering is the registration number on any UK registered vehicle, irrespective of it's age or perceived value, is never, under any circumstances, owned by any individual or company. The DVLA have full claim to ALL numbers and the reg number and display of is fully controlled by them. A number can even be withdrawn in special circumstances, usually if fraud is proven, but that is very rare.
So, if you purchase a reg number, at any price, you NEVER own it, but you do have the right to use it, display it, transfer it and sell it, except for non transferable plates, most of which are age related issued by DVLA. |
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Colin Butchers
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/05/2017 : 11:23:56
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Tim. I have been in touch with Brian Rhead who lives in Burgess Hill and knew George May well. Apparently George moved to Italy some years ago and whilst Brian thinks that her could have moved back to the U.K.(possibly to Essex,) he is no longer in touch and has no contact information. He thinks that your PB might have been just a rolling chassis and he has no recollection of the Reg Number BRU 284.
Sorry that this doesn't really get you any further forward,- unless you know anyone in Essex who might be able to do a search.
I see from past printed Registers that PB0685 was shown as being in George's ownership up to 2001, whilst all subsequent entries are in M J Lister's name.
Best wishes,
Colin B. |
Edited by - Colin Butchers on 19/05/2017 11:26:26 |
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