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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 13/07/2017 : 18:40:15
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Originally posted by Peter Green
Simon,
J4006 IS LISTED, it is J4004 that is not.
Peter
REALLY?
2015
2017
Simon J
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Peter Green
United Kingdom
1682 Posts |
Posted - 13/07/2017 : 19:48:02
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Simon,
J4004 is not listed on either of your lists. J4006 has been listed up until 2017 when for some reason it is not. I expect it is something to do with the change over from the 'hard copy' of the master listing to an electronic version this year. There are several cars not listed this year, which should have been, for some reason which has not yet been properly resolved. I can assure you that J4006 should have been listed this year.
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
5999 Posts |
Posted - 13/07/2017 : 19:55:51
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Peter,
I wasn't talking about J4004; I was quite clearly referring to J4006 and its omission from the 2017 Register listing. Perhaps you should have looked at the Register before being so dismissive IN CAPITAL LETTERS? 
Simon J
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tholden
United Kingdom
1626 Posts |
Posted - 13/07/2017 : 22:03:34
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As Colin says Geoff was a very nice straightforward man. I can only repeat what I have said before which is that he told me quite frankly in a discussion we had at brands that neither his red or blue car were built on the original chassis but that he believed they contained enough original parts to say they were J4's.
I have no idea what has happened in recent years in regard to them being on or off the Register.
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Peter Green
United Kingdom
1682 Posts |
Posted - 13/07/2017 : 22:24:57
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Simon,
You were obviously talking about the 2017 printed listing (you just said 2017 listing), I was talking about the main 2017 database listing on which J4006 is listed.
Sorry for any confusion.
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
5999 Posts |
Posted - 14/07/2017 : 00:18:05
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Thanks, Peter, although Scott McBurney's post on the previous page showed that J4006 wasn't on the database either, but obviously someone has updated this since Scott posted his screen grab.
Simon J
J3437 |
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DickMorbey
United Kingdom
3672 Posts |
Posted - 14/07/2017 : 08:52:00
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Simon, I have looked inside the database record for J4006 and can see that its ownership record was changed yesterday to record the fact that ownership has passed fro the previous owner Peter Altenbach (now deceased) to an unknown person. The probable reason why this car does not appear in the 2017 printed listing is that the 'anon' owner had not been recorded on the database at the time the book went to press.
Dick Morbey
PA/PB 0743
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O.Thomas
United Kingdom
755 Posts |
Posted - 14/07/2017 : 09:10:36
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| Surely the car should still be listed though, owner aside? The new owner is listed in the present addition of the Hawke history off completion cars |
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
5999 Posts |
Posted - 14/07/2017 : 09:24:48
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Thanks, Dick. It's not a big deal - just odd that all traces disappeared from the online Register only to reappear just as the car was being discussed. But it's back now, and that's the important thing. I've found a couple of errors in the printed Register relating to J2s (naturally!) which were correct in the 2015 edition but mysteriously wrong in the 2017 one and I've passed these on to John Emmett and Graham Arrondelle.
Simon J
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DickMorbey
United Kingdom
3672 Posts |
Posted - 14/07/2017 : 09:53:36
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Oliver, I think it's down to the way in which the database works. Probably the best person to comment is the architect of the scheme the talented Koen Struijk, but in essence if a car is not set within the system as "current" or if there is an absence of recorded owner info, then the car may temporarily disappear from view. It's something we can deal with, and I think that is what must have happened in regard to J4006, yesterday, once it was realised that this particular car had become invisible.
Dick Morbey
PA/PB 0743
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Colin Butchers
United Kingdom
1480 Posts |
Posted - 14/07/2017 : 10:53:17
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Could the mystery man who has corrected the entry for J4004 now work his magic on QA0252 which has gone from both the printed List of Cars for 2017 and the data base, despite having been owned by Mike Dowley for the last 18 years. Thank you.
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Ray Masters
United Kingdom
563 Posts |
Posted - 14/07/2017 : 11:00:43
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DickMorbey
United Kingdom
3672 Posts |
Posted - 14/07/2017 : 11:10:10
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Colin,
You are indeed correct. I heard from the horses mouth just now that the car is indeed still in deepest Shropshire! Database amended accordingly.
Dick Morbey
PA/PB 0743
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Blue M
United Kingdom
1459 Posts |
Posted - 17/07/2017 : 17:54:52
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So is J4004 still not accounted for? Should I keep hoping I will stumble across the chassis in a tumble-down barn?
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LewPalmer
USA
3209 Posts |
Posted - 17/07/2017 : 18:58:40
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I am very familiar with J3761 which sports the body from J4004. With regards to J4004, I have the following extract from the North American Triple-M Register files:
So, for Al's car (J3761), the records show that it was originally fitted with a salonette body and didn't get one through some accident damage or whatever, that it was dismantled before 1940 and that the chassis (a more or less bare chassis it seems) was used as the basis of a basket of bits which Al acquired in the 50's, as the makings of an interesting Triple M car.
At present our records say it is a J3 chassis fitted with a PB engine and running gear with the bodywork from J 4004. All these are Triple M components and therefore, correctly I believe, the car was given a Register Number sometime way back in the late 60's or early 70's. The database notes contain details of all the deviations from J3 spec. that we know about so far.
So it appears that J4004 was disassembled sometime prior to 1950 with parts going to various places, the body being donated to J3761 which it still bears.
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