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Malcolm Bailey
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 10/11/2017 : 13:41:29
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This subject has been discussed before for various models, however I have been faced with a question to which I can find no reference.
The question is :- were the plates set into the door sills so that the surface of the plates was level with the aluminium skin of the door sill?
A Triple M colleague Brian Kelly sent me photos of his K Type which bore evidence that “ the body skin mated up to the threshold plate at each end as oppose to the plate being mounted on the skin”
When I came to fit the plates to my ND I noticed that, particularly at the front, the body skin overlapping inside the door stopped at about the same place that the plate would be fitted.. it was difficult to be sure as there have been several layers of paint over the years.
I would be very interested to hear whether any one has any thoughts on the subject?
Thanks
Malcolm
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Oz34
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/11/2017 : 15:25:27
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Hi Malcolm,
As nobody seems to have put their head above the parapet so far, I'll offer my view. I believe, but it's only my guess, that the plates are laid on top of the skin turn over. Let's face it, MGs were cheap cars and the time taken to let the plate into the skin would not be warranted; stick it on top. It cost less.
Off at a very slight tangent. Can anyone tell me how the threshold plates were attached? Were small screws used or small panel pins. Also, what material were these screws/pins made of? Whatever was used, where would they be positioned? Some seem to have pairs spaced along the plate while others seem to use single fasteners so spaced.
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Bruce Sutherland
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/11/2017 : 15:50:02
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Malcolm, Dave,
Does this help ............ looks like small slotted wood screws on a pretty original PB0522:
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Bruce Sutherland
United Kingdom
1542 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2017 : 15:51:55
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Originally posted by Bruce Sutherland
Malcolm, Dave,
Does this help ............ looks like small slotted wood screws on a pretty original PB0522 (I'd use s/s ones):
Bruce. (PB0564)
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Oz34
United Kingdom
2493 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2017 : 19:48:53
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Thank you Bruce, that certainly looks good to me and I guess it will also answer Malcolm's question?
Cheers,
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Malcolm Bailey
United Kingdom
301 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2017 : 23:43:33
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Thank you Bruce and Dave, your comments make sense and I have already trial fitted them on top of the skin on the basis that if it is proved otherwise I can always reset them,. As regards fastening I have been advised that they were fixed with aluminium screws.
I have obtained these of the appropriate size from “tonycharman164@btinternet.com. The size I got was 4x3/4 raised ally Vintage which came with with 2 steel 4x3/4 to be used as a means of cutting the thread.
I must say they look the part.
Will post a phot tomorrow.
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Malcolm Bailey
United Kingdom
301 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2017 : 17:15:14
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Photo of my off side threshold plate temporarily fixed. When drilling the holes I did not encounter an aluminium skin.
Has anybody any thoughts on whether the plates were let into the door sill?
Thanks
Malcolm
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Oz34
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/11/2017 : 19:10:42
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To me Malcolm your trial fitting looks great. I should go the whole way.
Thank you for details of the screws. Ali sounds to be just the right thing and the steel thread cutters an obvious idea once you've got your soft "final use" screws. Thanks also for the link.
Cheers,
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JMH
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/11/2017 : 19:31:09
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| The ones on my J2 were/are secured with panel pins, the same type as used on the body panels in that area. plates are just laid over the edge of the skin. All rather crude really. My plates are 1970s repros (originals are rather ragged & corroded, so were replace d & hung on the wall (for my replica#128526;). |
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Andrew Fock
Australia
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Posted - 13/11/2017 : 09:41:07
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My N type ones were somewhat different. I have always assumed that they were original...
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DickMorbey
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/11/2017 : 09:57:14
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Mine (PA) were fixed the same way as Jeremy describes and were equally crude!
Dick Morbey
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Malcolm Bailey
United Kingdom
301 Posts |
Posted - 13/11/2017 : 10:34:30
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Thanks gents for your comments.
Yours,Andrew, look to be fastened to a polished metal sill. Is this aluminium ans does it just cover the sill. If it is original then it opens up the question further.
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Oz34
United Kingdom
2493 Posts |
Posted - 13/11/2017 : 12:24:38
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My ancient ones, probably not dissimilar to Jeremy's, were fixed with panel pins, though they were not attached when I bought the car. In that case, I used brass pins for the body panels which wouldn't look very good against the plates. Stainless would be OK but I'm sure would not have been used originally. I know Colin Mac, just get in and drive it!
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Andrew Fock
Australia
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Posted - 13/11/2017 : 20:23:51
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quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm Bailey
Thanks gents for your comments.
Yours,Andrew, look to be fastened to a polished metal sill. Is this aluminium ans does it just cover the sill. If it is original then it opens up the question further.
Malcolm
Hi Malcolm,
Yes, there is a polished aluminium cover over the sill held in with panel pins. As far as I know this is original for this car (3 previous owners and only restored once during the 1970's).
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Malcolm Bailey
United Kingdom
301 Posts |
Posted - 14/11/2017 : 09:17:26
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Thank you Dave and Andrew for your comments. As the ND has a K2 body it would be of help if one or two K2 owners could submit photos of their door sills and comment on whether they are on top of or set into the alu skin on the bottom of the door frame.
Thanks in anticipation
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powerplus
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/11/2017 : 11:52:50
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Malcolm,
I have taken a look at the threshold plates of my original body from K2001. However it is clear that the aluminium body cladding has been replaced at some time and covers the entire width of the wooden section beneath the door, and the MG plate has been altered and fastened thereto with various screws. I do not feel therefore that a photo would be helpful in this instance.
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