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Morris68
Netherlands
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 Posted - 22/05/2019 : 08:46:41
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My fathers brother asked me to sort out more about i suppose his old unrestored MG M-type. A challenge to me as iám not into MG history till now. I think this forum is the place to gather more information about this car. Thanks to other topics found as i think a chassis numbers on the right front suspension part and also on the bonnet hinge,: 3420. Also right front but difficult to read: E 1502 (?). The probably original UK licence plate shows: KY 2679.
The engine has spark plugs on top, the fuel tank is in the back and spare wheel fixed at the back of the car, and dashbord is unusual to the original. The site panels below the doors are missing.
Sofar my findings, if needed picture's are available. Any advice welcome.
Cheers Maurice (Netherlands)
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Orstin
United Kingdom
633 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2019 : 09:13:38
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Maurice, I think a picture would be very helpful as some of the details you have supplied don't match an M Type as it would have left the factory...
Hugh
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Colin Butchers
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/05/2019 : 09:52:03
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A car with the U.K. Registration number KY2679 is already on the current Register under chassis number 2M3420, owned by A Bron in The Netherlands. No MMM number is listed however.
I wonder whether Mike the M has any more information which might be relevant.
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George Eagle
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/05/2019 : 09:59:30
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Hello Maurice.
Welcome to the Triple-M forum, as you have already noticed our subscribers can provide much information on our ohc cars.
From your description of the position of the spark plugs it looks as if the car has a non MG engine - maybe be it is from a F..d?
As Hugh has indicated photos would be very useful.
George
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DickMorbey
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/05/2019 : 10:00:45
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Hello Maurice
Does your father's brother still have the car?
If the number 1502 is stamped on the front driver's side chassis knuckle, then it is almost certainly a part number for this component, not an identity number of the car. If you scrape the paint and rust off the knuckle this may reveal a chassis number stamp. Here is an example of what to look for..
KY 2679 is certainly the UK registration number of 2M3420 and we have two pictures of the car on file. The caption reads: 'Alan Bouttell's Mum and aunt in his Dad's car.'
Our M-type registrar, Mike Dalby is certain to see your posting and I am sure he will be able to share more information for our mutual benefit.
Good luck!
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Morris68
Netherlands
6 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2019 : 10:48:31
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[quote]Originally posted by Colin Butchers
A car with the U.K. Registration number KY2679 is already on the current Register under chassis number 2M3420, owned by A Bron in The Netherlands. No MMM number is listed however.
I wonder whether Mike the M has any more information which might be relevant.
Colin B.
Hi Colin, I don't understand "owned by A Bron" is that a musee or collector??
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Morris68
Netherlands
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Posted - 22/05/2019 : 10:57:59
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[quote]Originally posted by DickMorbey
Hello Maurice
Does your father's brother still have the car?
If the number 1502 is stamped on the front driver's side chassis knuckle, then it is almost certainly a part number for this component, not an identity number of the car. If you scrape the paint and rust off the knuckle this may reveal a chassis number stamp. Here is an example of what to look for..
KY 2679 is certainly the UK registration number of 2M3420 and we have two pictures of the car on file. The caption reads: 'Alan Bouttell's Mum and aunt in his Dad's car.'
Our M-type registrar, Mike Dalby is certain to see your posting and I am sure he will be able to share more information for our mutual benefit.
Good luck!
Dick Morbey, Register Secretary
Dick, Yes that car still in our family, actually at the moment in my garage to sort out history. Thanks for the picture, indeed the E1502 could be a part number!
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Morris68
Netherlands
6 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2019 : 11:04:30
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[quote]Originally posted by George Eagle
Hello Maurice.
Welcome to the Triple-M forum, as you have already noticed our subscribers can provide much information on our ohc cars.
From your description of the position of the spark plugs it looks as if the car has a non MG engine - maybe be it is from a F..d?
As Hugh has indicated photos would be very useful.
George
Registrar F/L/N types.
George, that's the question, i've seen a sort of simular engine in the Hemmings offered mg M.
https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2017/07/15/hemmings-find-of-the-day-1930-mg-m/
Some pics of the actual engine in our car.
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Morris68
Netherlands
6 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2019 : 11:11:14
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Amazed by respond sofar, admire knowledge of all of you! Some extra picture's
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Onno
Netherlands
1027 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2019 : 13:20:41
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Hi Maurice,
That makes life simple no original parts left ;)
The engine looks like a Ford?
The picture of the dash is a bit to high otherwise we could see the gearbox.
The rear end has had the boat tail cut off and the tanks moved to the back with after market wings fitted, result of a little crash perhaps?
Front wings, rad, windscreen and bonnet do look original, the rad tanks have been modified.
Where are you situated in NL?
the MG workshop in Monster has a wealth of knowledge about triple M's
Onno "D" Könemann |
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Malcolm Eades
United Kingdom
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Ian Grace
USA
651 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2019 : 16:12:45
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| Yes, E1502 is the dumbiron part number. Same on all Morris Minors. Often causes confusion, but can be ignored. |
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Cathelijne
Netherlands
744 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2019 : 17:43:32
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Hi Maurice,
Only recently I sent a request for more info on the car to the Dutch M.G. TTO (T-Type & Pre War Owners Club) after having found the two war time pics on Facebook. This was duly published as per the attached. However, no replies were forthcoming, so we had reached something of a dead end.
What Colin meant by ‘A Bron’ was simply the name of the owner as the Register knew it to be. A being the owner’s initial and Bron his surname. I would assume this was your uncle, but for your reply implying it didn’t ring any bells with you.
Cheers,
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Mike the M
United Kingdom
481 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2019 : 21:24:40
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Hello Maurice, and welcome to the world of M type motoring. You have already learnt a lot about the car and there is little that I can add, but will send you a form, off line, to complete so that I may update the car details!
I can also recommend a visit to the 'MG Mecca' in Monster which is not too far from you, I think! There you will see many MGs and there are some M types in Holland.
There were many MGs had F**d transplants in the 1960s, and it is only with modern technology that the old problems have been overcome.
The KY registration number is a West Yorkshire number, and the first owner is likely to have been in Bradford, as the selling agent was Waterhouse and Sons in Bradford.
Good wishes!
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KevinA
New Zealand
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Morris68
Netherlands
6 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2019 : 22:43:17
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Hi Onno, another dashbord picture added, slightly lower to see some more of the gearbox. The boat tail is already missing on the Alan Bouttell picture, must have been an early crash!? The MG workshop Monster is a good tip, iám situated near Tilburg.
Cathelijne, great post, will contact you by mail
Mike, happy to enter the world of M, thanks! Today I learned that Alan Bouttell was a previous owner, maby he was the first and from Bradford?
Well substantiated information Kevin, will have a closer look to this engine soon, at first glance the block shows no ford logos at all.
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