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Reinout

USA
222 Posts

Posted - 06/12/2016 :  18:13:16  Show Profile
In the M type movie on David Shelburne's MG Cars Channel, Jerry Goguen tells a little bit about the interesting history of a very low mileage M type in his MG museum. It is at the 2 min. 15 sec mark in the movie which can be accessed directly with this link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm4lkekAY0s&feature=youtu.be

Does anybody know the whereabouts of this M type today?
Does anybody have more details about the story of the Chicago owner who brought the M in from London to the US in 1933?

Reinout Vogt
Emma
1931 M-Type 2M/2735

Edited by - Reinout on 07/12/2016 14:10:22

tonym

United Kingdom
649 Posts

Posted - 07/12/2016 :  15:23:18  Show Profile
Reinout
Saw this car at Gerry's in Oct 1991
Have been trying to find out it's chassis number since then.
Do you have any idea what it is.
On the movie I just can't read the chassis plate - very frustrating.
In pre digital days you never took enough pictures.





My M is 3338 and was on the 1991 [&2006] MMM Raid

Tony

Edited by - tonym on 07/12/2016 15:24:57
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LewPalmer

USA
3201 Posts

Posted - 07/12/2016 :  18:58:48  Show Profile
If anyone knows whether Doris Goguen is still alive, perhaps she might have more information. She was Gerry's bookkeeper and may well have a record of all the chassis numbers in Gerry's collection.

Lew Palmer
PA1169, PB0560
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sam christie

United Kingdom
3041 Posts

Posted - 07/12/2016 :  22:30:06  Show Profile
I really like watching these videos and analysing what people say.

Gerry says his M-type was bought new at the time of the Wall Street Crash which happened 24th/29th October 1929 . The Crash happened during the move from Edmund Road to Abingdon and (with the MG factory move) no M-types were produced in October or November 1929 and most of December. But the dash on this amazingly original car is a later type! Much of the interior has been completely replaced after only 6000 miles - amazing indeed !





The chassis plate reads "Abingdon on Thames" clearly post dating the move to Abingdon and the Wall Street Crash.





And the Irish customs officer was bribed with a bottle of Scotch ? What a story!

Sam

Edited by - sam christie on 09/12/2016 23:24:08
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Matthew Magilton

Australia
179 Posts

Posted - 10/12/2016 :  03:11:27  Show Profile
The 1996 MMM Directory gives the chassis numbers for Jerry's D, J4, F3, K3, L2, NB, PB (X2), J2 (X2) but not the M type.

Matthew.
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DodgyBrit

United Kingdom
17 Posts

Posted - 19/12/2016 :  19:33:51  Show Profile
I am sure these American owners are only repeating the stories that they have been told about these cars. It is obvious that these are not the ultra low mileage cars that they claim. Perhaps they don't realise that the odometer will keep on going round and round? The seat in the yellow car is completely worn out!
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sam christie

United Kingdom
3041 Posts

Posted - 19/12/2016 :  21:04:06  Show Profile
Indeed Ray. As you point out, the M-type PCN speedometer goes back to zero every 10,000 miles but that is never mentioned.

...and the yellow example -
The yellow Edsel Ford M-type had its SU carburettor replaced at well under 3000 miles - why?
The low mileage speedometer is clearly broken and is that really an original M-type dash..and the choke button?




The chassis file reveals it began life painted blue and before Edsel bought it, its happy owner in England drove it for about a year and wrote to MG to say how well it was running - and yet 86 years on the mileage is negligible.

But notwithstanding the fantasy, and the fact it looks like Benson and Henry II painted it yellow, it is an exceptional car and in spite of its faults it has much that really is outstandingly original.





Sam
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Bob Grunau

Canada
282 Posts

Posted - 20/12/2016 :  13:18:09  Show Profile
Doris Goguen is still alive and well. The Ford/Goguen M type is in New Fairfield Ct. USA. Chassis number is given as 2M0812, UK plate MG563A, MMM # 3087, all from the Triple M register, 2009.
Bob, Canada
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tonym

United Kingdom
649 Posts

Posted - 20/12/2016 :  14:47:04  Show Profile
Bob
Presumably you are referring to the white/yellow car with this chassis number - not the green one at Gerrys' that started this thread.
I would still love to know what it's chassis number is.
Somebody over there must have it.
Tony
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sam christie

United Kingdom
3041 Posts

Posted - 20/12/2016 :  20:15:18  Show Profile
Tony the yellow car is 2M 812.

Sam
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Keith Durston

United Kingdom
691 Posts

Posted - 21/12/2016 :  09:38:17  Show Profile
Sam,
I notice it has front hinged doors and the later dash panel. Do you know when the changeover happened as it seems to be an "early" car?
Keith
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sam christie

United Kingdom
3041 Posts

Posted - 21/12/2016 :  19:45:38  Show Profile
Keith, I think the change happened over the break in production with the factory move but it needs more research. The move would have been a good opportunity to introduce changes.

Tony Lyons-Lewis owns 2M0700, in South Africa and it is an early style M-type with the well known early features.

2M 0747 could be the transition point. It appeared in a slightly garbled ad (as the oldest M-type!) - some time ago and could still be for sale -





Sadly it has been severely restored so it is difficult to know what to believe about it.
Could this be the same car below which is mostly 1930 pulled off the production line in October 1929 to serve as a prototype for 1930 but which still has an earlier dash ?









...needs more research I think.

Sam

Edited by - sam christie on 21/12/2016 19:47:16
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tonym

United Kingdom
649 Posts

Posted - 26/12/2016 :  16:13:09  Show Profile
Sam
Have been away - so just seen your message of 20th Dec.
I know about the yellow car - it is the green one that opened this thread that I am interested in.
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Reinout

USA
222 Posts

Posted - 29/12/2016 :  04:21:47  Show Profile
Thank you all for your valuable input. However, the green M-type from the movie, and that a few of the respondents on this thread personally saw in the museum, is still a mystery. Lew Palmer, Tony, and myself have been looking for the chassis number, and its current location but we have no lead at this time. Also, there are no furthers details about the story of the family in Chicago. Now that Sam has opened another thread to research the specifics of the model change over, it may be a good time to once more focus on the green M from the movie.

We all hope to hear from you if you have any further information. Many thanks in advance.

Reinout Vogt
Emma
1931 M-Type 2M/2735
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sam christie

United Kingdom
3041 Posts

Posted - 13/03/2021 :  09:36:38  Show Profile

Did anyone ever discover the chassis number of this car in the USA and what became of it?



Sam
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Cooperman

United Kingdom
751 Posts

Posted - 16/03/2021 :  17:01:01  Show Profile
I understood that all the changes took place when production was interrupted when they moved from Edmund Road to Abingdon, did away with the transmission brake, changed the brakes from rod to cable, did away with the suicide doors etc. All these cars appear to be Abingdon cars.

John Cooper M 628

Edited by - Cooperman on 16/03/2021 17:01:46
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