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Ian Bowers
United Kingdom
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DickMorbey
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 14/05/2020 : 09:47:40
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Ian, it's anyone's guess! The rather scruffy FIA papers suggest a chassis number of PA0909 yet the ad describes it as TA0909.
PA0909 (with correct knuckle!) looks like this:
and resides in Norfolk.
Dick Morbey
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Ian Bowers
United Kingdom
937 Posts |
Posted - 14/05/2020 : 10:23:42
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Hence my raised eyebrow !
Ian Bowers
OD 6791
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George Eagle
United Kingdom
3228 Posts |
Posted - 14/05/2020 : 10:33:11
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I recall Ray Masters used to race a single seat P type that looks very much like the car advertised but I doubt this is the car!
I also think Ray's car might have had a genuine Q engine.
George
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Colin Butchers
United Kingdom
1480 Posts |
Posted - 14/05/2020 : 10:41:22
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Before we write this one off as yet another TQ or P Bitsa, there just might be a bit more to this than first appears. I am sure that about two years ago it was up for sale by a Swiss or Italian dealer but no one seemed to be interested. If it is the same car, I think that Karl Weissmann looked into the matter, but unfortunately just at the moment I have not been able to find the correspondence. If it is the sane car, it just might have an original Q Type engine. For £76,000 I reckon it would make a super little track car. I also like the reference to the "Volumetric" compressor. I was told some years ago that Volumex blowers, although made in Italy, used Imperial measurements. Probably a good example of fake news perhaps.
Colin B.
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Ray Masters
United Kingdom
563 Posts |
Posted - 14/05/2020 : 10:55:36
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Yes, this is the single seater that l had but VERY different from when l owned it . I think the chassis may be the same with De Dion rear axle fitted but not sure . The body is certainly different and probably the engine , blower(s) etc.
Based on a PA chassis which the late Mike Hawke came up with the chassis number PA0881 for . Where he got that from l never found out , regrettably he died before l could ask him.
It has been for sale in Italy for a few years now l believe.
See the 2001 Yearbook for the car when l owned it. |
Edited by - Ray Masters on 14/05/2020 11:06:04 |
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JMH
United Kingdom
910 Posts |
Posted - 14/05/2020 : 11:12:49
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Others beat me to it - but it certainly looks like Rays old car. I have some pictures of it from when it first appeared one year at Wiscombe as a look-alike R Type having lost the lovely 250F style body from it's original creation (as a 500 wasn't it Ray?). I also have a feeling the Q Block etc was no longer there by then either.
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Ray Masters
United Kingdom
563 Posts |
Posted - 14/05/2020 : 12:01:34
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Hi Jeremy. You are right , the original 250F style body was when it ran as a 500cc car and also when l raced it. It was rebodied some while after l sold it.
Do you , by any chance , have any record amongst your Dad’s papers of where he says the chassis number was PA0881 ?. I regret never having spoken to him about it and seeing that the car was originally constructed in about 1949 ,when there was not the same recording of numbers l am very curious as to how he arrived at 0881 .
Ray.
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MaGic_GV
United Kingdom
868 Posts |
Posted - 14/05/2020 : 12:04:33
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I believe the body was modified at the behest of another club because the 250f body did not look old enough. Fake history if ever I saw it! But I like it anyway...
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Graham
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coracle
United Kingdom
1872 Posts |
Posted - 14/05/2020 : 13:00:45
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Originally posted by Colin Butchers
I also like the reference to the "Volumetric" compressor. I was told some years ago that Volumex blowers, although made in Italy, used Imperial measurements. Probably a good example of fake news perhaps. Colin B.
If you study photo 6 of the set you can just see the blower. It might be a Volumetrico rather than Volumex; see photos below.
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JMH
United Kingdom
910 Posts |
Posted - 14/05/2020 : 15:45:12
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Ray,
Access to Dad's "store room" isn't possible right now but I'll have a good look when I'm allowed back into the house (good job the garage is detached)! |
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Ray Masters
United Kingdom
563 Posts |
Posted - 14/05/2020 : 16:51:29
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| Thanks Jeremy. My email address is : barray@talktalk.net . Will you please send any info you find to me direct by email . Rather not clog up the forum . Thanks , Ray |
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Onno
Netherlands
1027 Posts |
Posted - 14/05/2020 : 17:20:18
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Some forum lurkers might by very interested if these things clog up the forum......
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John Hunting
Australia
85 Posts |
Posted - 15/05/2020 : 07:40:37
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This car offered to me by Barry Walker in the early 1980's , said to have genuine R or Q engine , rear of chassis is still MG .Wasn't cheap ,couldn't afford it .
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Ray Masters
United Kingdom
563 Posts |
Posted - 15/05/2020 : 08:23:05
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Looking closely at the photos in the advert l would say the chassis / axles are little changed from Geoff Monk’s design . The de Dion rear axle (tube) is clearly shown in John’s photo . The rear spring trunnion tube had to be lengthened for the new axle design and the original radius rods are shown .
I would say that when Barry offered it to you , John , in the early 80s it did have a genuine Q type engine . What it has now l don’t know.
Onno. No secrets. If Jeremy comes up with anything l will put something on the forum for history’s sake . |
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Colin Butchers
United Kingdom
1480 Posts |
Posted - 16/05/2020 : 11:19:06
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Hello Nigel. As you can probably guess, I have never come across a Volumetrico supercharger. Can you tell me more ? It looks like a heavy old beast. Would it be a screw type industrial compressor ?
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