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Geoff.Broadhead
New Zealand
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 Posted - 25/05/2020 : 05:39:28
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Mike Allison's YB article from 1975 about the Evans Family refers to an L Type in which "Doreen was taught the art of racing". That is the first time I had seen her name mentioned and associated with an L Type. Subsequently I noticed a quite well known picture of Doreen Evans in an L Type, so I asked George Eagle which L Type it is in the picture. He replied: "The latest Yearbook has a feature by Mike Allison on the lady drivers and he mentions Doreen being given an L2 Registration MG 2454, this Registration in original to L2012. There is something wrong here as the record shows the car was delivered by UM to L M Maxwell, New Barnet, London on 8th May 1933. I have looked through the notes I made from the factory files for all the L2s and cannot find any reference to Bellevue Garages and an L2 prepared for racing! There are a couple of files missing so……!...... Mike says he saw the Registration number in a picture gallery belonging to K D Evans in 1967 showing Doreen sitting in the car. He also said the Registrations were switched from car to car, especially those with the MG prefix and as such we did not know the identity of the car. Apparently the car had a h/c head and wider spaced carbs"
Can anyone throw any light on the L2 Doreen Evans raced - presumably the car in the picture?
Geoff
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
5999 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2020 : 06:49:30
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Geoff,
Is it not possible that the L2 was second hand when the Evans family acquired it?
P.S. The wider spaced carbs would presumably be because the car had the 'Alpine' inlet manifold, a fairly common mod for L2s
Simon J
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Colin Butchers
United Kingdom
1481 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2020 : 10:11:31
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The latest printed Register shows that MG2454 is on L2012.
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Edited by - Colin Butchers on 25/05/2020 10:11:48 |
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
5999 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2020 : 10:29:00
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Also, while the Evans family may have swapped registration numbers between cars, they were hardly likely to use a number belonging to someone else. So if they owned MG 2454 then presumably they owned L2012, and vice versa.
Simon J
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George Eagle
United Kingdom
3228 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2020 : 11:26:22
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I reckon this could well be the same car as that in the picture posted by Cat ("When, and which car?") of what I consider to be an L2 at Shelsley Walsh.
The painted stripe down the side is the same but the radiator is now cowled and there is a roundel painted on the door.
Interesting!
George
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Edited by - George Eagle on 25/05/2020 11:52:50 |
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mgtommm
USA
497 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2020 : 14:43:38
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Could somebody explain the L-type fuel line routing on the firewall of Simon's pic? It appears to have only one fuel pump but there are two copper lines, then the photo runs out of information on the northern border. The outlet hose to the rear carb is clearly shown.
Is it recirculating?
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wiggy963
United Kingdom
69 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2020 : 15:08:22
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In a picture taken at the Cultra Hill Climb, of the gathering of non competing cars during the Simon Johnstone Ulster Tour 2016, there is what looks like an L2 painted in Evans colours, 2nd left 2nd row. There were two L2s in the entry list for the Ulster event MG47 L20534 and BZ1695 L2004. Is the car in the picture the Evans car or simply a car painted in the Evans colours ? I imagine that Simon will know more. And will hopefully be more skilled at me in attaching the picture.
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Gerhard Maier
Germany
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Posted - 25/05/2020 : 16:13:24
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Originally posted by mgtommm
Is it recirculating?
Thanks. Tommm
Tommm,
sometimes it's an advantage, when a small quantity of petrol is recirculating from the engine compartment back into the fuel tank.
Especially on a hot day when climbing a mountain and petrol vaporizing occurs due to our modern petrol.
But I have diverted the recirculating petrol from the front carb on my N-type, and in the return pipe is a small tap for adjusting the quantity.
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Cathelijne
Netherlands
744 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2020 : 16:51:05
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Mmm, nothing is ever simple, is it?!
Here's a pic of Doreen taken at the JCC Members' Meeting of 30 June 1934. Reg. no. MG 2949 belongs to L2047, an L2 that was first owned by C.G. Hereford and was black and blue. It does not appear to have survived.
Now, about a year ago I stumbled upon this pic of Nick Dean driving a car registered MG 2949 in the 1970s which he believed to be (and is!) L0699. However, the database states that L0699 ought to carry reg. no. MG 2994.
A Mr Brock says about L0699 that it was registered MG 2949 and that it belonged to R.A. Lambourn who, amongst other exploits, raced it at an MCC meeting at Brooklands in 1937. He also says it was wrecked in 1934 when the four seater tub was removed and a two seater body and cycle wings were fitted.
Then, when Tom Metcalf on the sunny shores of Lake Erie, Ohio, had L0699 in his workshop a few years ago, noted that the bonnet was stamped L2047 ...
Could it be that the body (or the bonnet at least) AND reg. plate were removed from L2047 for whatever reason, and were put on L0699?
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
5999 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2020 : 17:11:57
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Oliver Richardson has asked me to add these to the topic. They don’t thrown any light on which car but the first one shows the L with the radiator cowling.
EDIT: The cowling is fitted over the chrome shell, not in place of it.
Tommm,
Regarding the pipe work on the L2 (L2004) I don’t have any clearer photos and the car is not easily accessible at the moment.
Simon J
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Edited by - Simon Johnston on 25/05/2020 17:33:14 |
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mgtommm
USA
497 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2020 : 17:33:49
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I gotta say that Castrol Motor Oil billboard at Brooklands is just the best.
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spatek
United Kingdom
211 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2020 : 18:21:39
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| The ex Ashton Rigby L2 was on the ulster tour you may be thinking of that one. |
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Westbury
United Kingdom
1950 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2020 : 19:01:53
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Simon.
The picture of Doreen Evans in the cowled MG is absolutely superb.
Thanks to Oliver for his photo.
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
5999 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2020 : 19:20:34
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L0699 was sold through University Motors and first registered as MG 2994 on 5 February 1934 to C.R. Robinson of Tonbridge Wells in Kent. L2047 was also sold through UM and first registered as MG 2949 on InDecember 1933 to C.E. Hereford of Putney in London. It was apparently then acquired by G.A.D. Smith in June 1936. One would have thought that if the Evans family had acquired L2047 this would have been reflected in the factory records, but apparently not.
All very odd!
Simon J
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George Eagle
United Kingdom
3228 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2020 : 20:12:51
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The file for L2047 records the car was wrecked and there is no record of it being a survivor. The factory file shows UM supplied the car, Registration MG2949, to A Mr C G Hereford, Putney, SW19. Perhaps the Evans family acquired the car second hand for Doreen - they were agents for UM and Bellevue Garages was based in SW London?
Likewise the file for L0699 shows the car was also damaged in an accident and that a 2 seat body was fitted replacing the original 4 seat body. The Registration number was as Cat noted MG 2994.
At my request Tom, in sunny Ohio, sent me a photo of the bonnet hinge of L0699,which was in his workshop, and which is quite clearly original to L2047. Also at my request Tom sent me a photo of the chassis stamping for L0699, this clearly shows it to be original.
All this does not explain the mix up of Registration numbers; and how does L2012 fit in?
George
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
5999 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2020 : 20:36:50
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It would not be uncommon for number plates to be wrongly made and go un-noticed so Nick Dean's L1 with reg number MG 2949 should perhaps simply read MG 2994. In fact the rear number plate might well say that!
Simon J
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