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wiggy963
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 Posted - 12/03/2021 : 12:42:49
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
5998 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2021 : 13:01:13
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It’s the North West London Motor Club, Ray. They apparently ran the Gloucester Trial. If you’re a subscriber to Motor Sport Magazine you can read all about it in their archives
Oops - I’d only read Page 1! Doh!
Simon J
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Vitesse
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/03/2021 : 13:55:15
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Originally posted by nick westbrook
Hi
Nice thread on early JB numbers. My car (JB 877) was registered By Adrian Squire as his demonstrator. His showrooms were in Henley and JB is an Oxfordshire plate.
Having grown up in the Royal County of Berkshire I can assure you with 100% certainty that JB is a Berkshire plate! 'Plain' JB numbers with no letter prefix were issued between March 1932 and August 1936.
https://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/registrations/jb.htm
The first Berkshire plates were BL, the 'plain' ones all being used by 1922, when MO came into use. Those were exhausted by 1927 and succeeded by RX (1927-32) and then JB. Reading had used DP from 1903-28 and this was followed by RD until 1937.
When the JB numbers ran out they went back to BL, issuing their first three-letter plates, starting with ABL.
Abingdon was the county town of Berkshire until 1869 - it was only 'moved' to Oxfordshire in 1974. Presumably there was a vehicle registration office there in the 1930s and the records have somehow ended up in Oxfordshire ... |
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spatek
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/03/2021 : 19:10:12
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| My old F1 was also an Adrian squire demonstration car JO 3807 sevens again and this was an Oxford registration. |
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nick westbrook
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/03/2021 : 20:04:18
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| Does anyone know reg number of the Adrian Squire / Jock Mambey-Colegrave K3 and did it contain any 'luck 7's? I don't recall seeing it with a plate even after it was sold on to Billy Cotton? |
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
5998 Posts |
Posted - 13/03/2021 : 20:13:10
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According the The Hawke History of MMM Competition Cars (available from the Library - https://triple-mshop.org/products-page/books/ - although currently out of stock) K3004 never had a UK registration.
Simon J
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Westbury
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/03/2021 : 20:46:17
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According to Mike Hawke’s K3 Dossier the number was JB 1411.
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
5998 Posts |
Posted - 13/03/2021 : 22:56:37
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I think that’s an Australian number, not a UK one
Simon J
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Westbury
United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
Posted - 15/03/2021 : 08:25:40
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Hello, Simon.
In Mike Hawke’s book it gives the number JB 1411 as being used in the UK and Australia. It wouldn’t make sense to have initiated such a number in Australia, surely ?
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15/03/2021 : 08:48:27
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Mornin' Chris,
I’m going simply by The Hawke History (which updates the K3 Dossier) which says:
“UK registration None. Australian Registration Mark JB 1411”
Putting a JB number on it would make it look like a factory car - a bit like another car that we aren’t allowed to mention 
Perhaps Karl can clarify if he sees this?
Simon J
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Edited by - Simon Johnston on 15/03/2021 08:49:09 |
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Westbury
United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
Posted - 15/03/2021 : 08:56:21
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Simon,
Have a look again, my copy says, ‘ JB1411 (also in Australia) ‘ MGO 3 ( Australia circa 1959)
Cheers,,
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15/03/2021 : 09:16:41
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All three of my copies (different editions) say the same
P.S. I see MGO 3 in the right hand column so perhaps Karl can clarify?
Simon J
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Westbury
United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
Posted - 15/03/2021 : 10:23:29
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Simon.
If you check my previous messages you will see I was referring to Mike Hawke’s K3 Dossier. Not his History of Competition MMM Cars.
Please see attached illustration from the K3 Dossier. There is an obvious discrepancy here and I wonder if there is a chassis file for the car. There is a report in the May, 1933 edition of Motor Sport of Manby-Colgrave’s car but no indication of the registration number. In Jonathan Wood’s brilliant history of the Squire cars there is brilliant side view of K3 004 fully equipped and in standard, road going condition even down to having a tonneau cover fitted. Unfortunately, it is impossible to make out details of a plate that is mounted across the front of the headlamps.
The car is obviously being used on the road and this is confirmed in the text of the book itself but whether this is on trade plates is not known. Common sense would dictate that the car must have been supplied with a registration number if only for resale reasons as Squire Motors, apart from manufacturing their own cars also were dealers in the trade.
Chris
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15/03/2021 : 14:34:34
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Interesting, Chris. I had realised you were using The K3 Dossier while I was using The Hawke History (see my post above), so perhaps Karl can throw some light on this as the chassis files for most of the racing models have 'disappeared'.
Simon J
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nick westbrook
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15/03/2021 : 15:17:19
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| I seem to recall that Reg Slay - the Sales Director of Squire Motors recalled in his book that he went to the factory to collect the K3 which was in racing form with no wings and drove it back to Henley presumably on trade plates suggesting that it was not registered by the factory? Non of the wonderful period photos taken (Squires were very publicity conscious) - especially the one with the car apparently being road tested with the Squire Motors crew and Racing Service van behind - show either wings or a plate? Reg Slay was apparently used to dealing in racing cars so probably would not have worried too much about registering the car to sell it on after Jock M C got tired of it? Jock M C also owned a Night Club so maybe he did a deal directly with Billy Cotton? I wonder if he perhaps registered the car or did it go from him straight to Australia? |
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