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Cooperman

United Kingdom
751 Posts

Posted - 14/06/2021 :  15:49:02  Show Profile
I am looking for a drawing showing this item, the sockets that go in the doors to take the hood frame. I can guess what it should be but I'd rather try and make it as near to the original as possible. Many thanks. I've looked in documents downloads or whatever it is called and can't seem to find any such information.Perhaps someone cleverer than I can.

John Cooper M 628

Edited by - Cooperman on 14/06/2021 15:49:53

bloodysalmon

United Kingdom
1477 Posts

Posted - 14/06/2021 :  18:02:35  Show Profile
these are the ones I made a few years ago now with S&V





Chris Blood
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Blue M

United Kingdom
1455 Posts

Posted - 14/06/2021 :  18:14:09  Show Profile
You can't find any because the M didn't have them! The hood frame fits straight into the woodwork through the alloy capping. Same with the sidescreens. If owners fitted sockets then they were probably like the Minor - smooth sided but a tight fit with an off-centre hole for the frame. It sounds too crude to be likely until you remember the door "cards" were just leathercloth alone which was nailed on. Likewise the aluminium door and boot trims were nailed on not screwed.
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sam christie

United Kingdom
3040 Posts

Posted - 14/06/2021 :  19:34:22  Show Profile

Ian, while I agree most M-types did not have side screens this factory picture shows a metal panel car which has sockets for them -







The list of extras includes Side Screens (Plus Fitting) for £2 2 0.





The hood frame appears to go into sockets in this factory picture.







This car has sockets for both hood and side screens.









Sam
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Blue M

United Kingdom
1455 Posts

Posted - 14/06/2021 :  20:25:55  Show Profile
Sam, thanks, not much doubt about that! With sidescreens I expect later owners just drilled holes in the door if they wanted sidescreens but clearly there was a socket for the hood right from the start. Are there similar pictures for early cars like John's?
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sam christie

United Kingdom
3040 Posts

Posted - 14/06/2021 :  21:58:40  Show Profile

Ian from the look of things in this rainy picture these early M-type owners probably wished they had side screens.





But this car in the same wet line up has side screens.





This is 2M 371 which currently has sockets as seen below.





2M 371 appears to have had the same sockets when photographed in 1956 so there is a fairly good chance they are original.









Sam
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Blue M

United Kingdom
1455 Posts

Posted - 15/06/2021 :  09:22:40  Show Profile
So I'm completely wrong because even my car has holes large enough for sockets though a bit battered round the edges. I can only find one socket though. I'm puzzled by the hood socket - surely it must have been a larger size? 1/4" seems very small for the hood frame ends.

Now found a couple more, but which kind is right?








Edited by - Blue M on 15/06/2021 09:47:52
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Simon Johnston

United Kingdom
5942 Posts

Posted - 15/06/2021 :  09:44:12  Show Profile
It’s interesting to have a look at the patent, the number of which is visible in the picture above.





Simon J
J3437
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KevinA

New Zealand
668 Posts

Posted - 15/06/2021 :  09:59:47  Show Profile
Simon, who took the patent out?
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Simon Johnston

United Kingdom
5942 Posts

Posted - 15/06/2021 :  11:06:05  Show Profile
Weathershields Ltd. and R.E. Morgan, October 1925


Simon J
J3437
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Cooperman

United Kingdom
751 Posts

Posted - 15/06/2021 :  21:00:37  Show Profile
Thank you all for your replies. So I guess all I have to do is measure the diameter of the hood frame, make something to fit, turning down the outside so that it will leave a capping on the top so as not to disappear down the hole I intend drilling through the ali capping and into the wooden frame. QED.

John Cooper M 628
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Simon Johnston

United Kingdom
5942 Posts

Posted - 15/06/2021 :  21:18:41  Show Profile
As it happens, these are the same sockets as were used in the J2/F2/L2 doors - see https://www.triple-mregister.org/forums/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=6916&SearchTerms=J2,side,screen,sockets - and are a stock item at S&V - see http://www.sportsandvintage.co.uk/news.htm

Simon J
J3437
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MmmGee

United Kingdom
135 Posts

Posted - 18/06/2021 :  09:27:00  Show Profile
Something for a whole new topic is the variety of windscreen motor positions shown in Sam's photo of the line of M's. I counted at least 4 different locations! - that includes the option of not having one

MmmGee

Edited by - MmmGee on 18/06/2021 09:28:56
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