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mgva
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84 Posts |
 Posted - 10/07/2023 : 16:33:43
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I know that this is P0512 built on March 29,1934 and supplied to Imperial Motor Mart.
Would like to know where and when this picture might have been taken
Thanks
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Westbury
United Kingdom
2233 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2023 : 17:50:16
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Hello, Dennis.
This is the Nailsworth hill climb which formed part of the Abingdon Trials.
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6556 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2023 : 18:27:01
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It’s perhaps a bit confusing to refer to cars as being built on a specific date when the actual assembly process lasted several weeks. PA0512 had its guarantee plate issued on 16 March 1934 and this would have been the date when the engine, already bearing its number - 751AP - was installed in the rolling chassis on the assembly line. At this point, the car could be said to have come into existence, the whole being greater than the sum of the parts, etc., etc. The chassis would also have been allocated its number but there seems to be some uncertainty as to whether this was stamped on the chassis as it started down the line or whether it was stamped at the end of the line. In any event, the date of 29 March is the date the car was delivered to the agent or distributor, in this case Imperial Motor Mart in Cheltenham. It seems to have remained unsold until purchased by a Mr. W. Trotman who registered it on 23 July.
Simon J
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mgva
USA
84 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2023 : 18:49:41
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| Simon, you are correct. In May of 1934, Imperial Motors submitted a claim with MG for a broken haft shaft, cracked rear axle casing and a broken sump. Clam was denied. Suggested that Imperial Motors contact their insurance company. Was this picture taken before W. W. Trotman bought the car in July. Who was the driver? |
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John Reid
United Kingdom
707 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2023 : 19:43:23
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Dennis, I think your photograph could be on Mill Lane.
Since Simon says PA0512 wasn’t sold till July 1934, I don’t think it is the MGCC Abingdon-Abingdon trial, because that route card is dated 21st April 1934.
Maybe Colin Butchers or Mike Dalby have more information on which events used Mill Lane.
The first photo is the cover of the Route Book we produced as part of the Celebrations of the 40th year of the Register. The second photo is from an article inside.
John R
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6556 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2023 : 20:30:35
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John,
Although the car wasn’t sold until July, it had been with Imperial Motors since 29 March and, according to Dennis, in April or May the car suffered the sort of damage one might incur on a trial. So perhaps the car was lent to someone to compete in the April 1934 Abingdon to Abingdon, then repaired and sold to the perhaps unsuspecting Mr Trotman?
Simon J
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John Reid
United Kingdom
707 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2023 : 20:40:55
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Simon,
Thanks, i think you have a valid explanation. The flags at the Stop/Restart and the marshal look the same in Dennis’ photo as in the ones I posted.
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Westbury
United Kingdom
2233 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2023 : 21:19:31
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Hello.
I’ve based my information on the accompanying photo in the MG magazine The Sports Car showing my own car on Nailsworth. The wall along the left hand side of the picture looks common with Dennis’s picture but I could be mistaken of course!
Chris
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6556 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2023 : 21:29:16
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Originally posted by John Reid
Simon,
Thanks, i think you have a valid explanation. The flags at the Stop/Restart and the marshal look the same in Dennis’ photo as in the ones I posted.
Definitely the same guy.
Simon J
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KevinA
New Zealand
712 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2023 : 23:45:07
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KevinA
New Zealand
712 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2023 : 00:04:29
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This photo is dated May 1939 on the Abingdon trial
If you look at the cars in the background they match the original |
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Ray White
United Kingdom
48 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2023 : 11:12:00
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I may be wrong but I think the driver of DG 8927 could be Gordon J Rea. He was associated with Imperial Motor Mart and used to compete in trials such as this in a PA.
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Colin Butchers
United Kingdom
1487 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2023 : 12:38:24
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Definitely Mill Lane - not Nailsworth.
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Ray White
United Kingdom
48 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2023 : 14:45:36
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If the driver is G.J. Rea, then his passenger would be J.W. Wathes; also from Imperial Motor Mart in Cheltenham.
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mgva
USA
84 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2023 : 16:50:42
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Thank You all! The damage claim filed in 1934 was by J W Wathes. Is there more information on J W Wathes and G J Rea?
In 1939 PA512 was owned by T P Williams of Cheltenham College.
Is there any of the Abingdon Trial Route Books available?
Thanks
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Ray White
United Kingdom
48 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2023 : 19:40:30
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I understand G. J. Rea liked to wear a black beret when trialing. Brian Kelly (forum contributor) says Rea and Wathes both drove his P type in trials.
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