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Ian Bowers
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 17/07/2013 : 12:25:31
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That advert just doesn't make sense. 750cc/s J3 coming first against that set of engine sizes.
Or have I missed something!
Ian Bowers
OD 6791
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
5987 Posts |
Posted - 17/07/2013 : 12:40:24
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| I suggest that we omit referring to '084 XI' in connection with this car as it is liable to cause confusion sooner or later. This was simply a garage 'trade plate' that enabled an untaxed and uninsured car to be driven on the public roads and the number was never assigned to any particular car. Rather each garage had one or two sets of plates (or maybe more for bigger establishments) and the next week, the same plate could have been attached by the garage to a customer's Morris Minor which was in for repairs. It was a common sight years ago to see guys hitching a lift by the side of the road with a set of trade plates under their arm as they headed up to Belfast to collect a new car to bring back to their garage. |
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tjackson
Australia
105 Posts |
Posted - 17/07/2013 : 12:53:08
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If the car was in the country for a temporary visit, would it have lost it’s English plates or do the trade plates suggest it is a recent import that has yet to be registered locally?
J2024 is listed as carrying JB 659 in England.
My understanding is that J2024 contested the various classes and scampered up the hill quicker than the larger capacity cars.
Cheers,
Tim
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
5987 Posts |
Posted - 17/07/2013 : 14:38:09
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| The reason for using trade plates was probably no more than the fact that the car wasn't taxed or insured for use on the public road on the day in question. If it subsequently stayed in Northern Ireland it wouldn't have needed to be re-registered but would have kept its GB number plate. Don't forget, we're talking about a car moving within the UK, and not about it being exported outside the UK! |
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Robin Hamblett
United Kingdom
532 Posts |
Posted - 17/07/2013 : 14:45:19
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Here is a picture of J 2024 in its current state.
Regards
Robin
J2 J3666 & J3 3764 |
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Cathelijne
Netherlands
744 Posts |
Posted - 17/07/2013 : 15:53:00
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Tim, your ad talks of the successes at Ballybannon which is, I think, a different event?
From http://www.castlewellan.com/book/31.html I gather Mr Annesley (the Magna man in your ad) was running up his own entrance road in those days  !
Does anyone have more on Victor Ferguson? He also drove a 750cc Midget in the 1931 (Craigantlet) event which can't have been anything but a C-type, hence my enquiry. It would be very helpful if his ancestors could be traced and contacted.
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MaGic_GV
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/07/2013 : 16:04:36
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Originally posted by Cathelijne
It would be very helpful if his ancestors could be traced and contacted.
You might need a medium for that! Is there anybody out there?
Graham
"I'd rather be happy than right anyday" Slartybartfast, Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy |
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Cathelijne
Netherlands
744 Posts |
Posted - 17/07/2013 : 16:09:45
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| Hahahahaha, perhaps I should be trying for his offspring instead? |
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3051 Posts |
Posted - 17/07/2013 : 17:33:40
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A couple of non MG images from the same location --
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tjackson
Australia
105 Posts |
Posted - 18/07/2013 : 00:19:51
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You are quite correct Cat, I had a similar thought as I was writing the post but trusted some old references without questioning further ….
According to Hans Etzrodt’s amazing web page (http://www.kolumbus.fi/leif.snellman/hcw0.htm) the hills and years of our interest,
Craigantlet (Belfast) (1,883 yd):
10 Aug 1929, Howe, Earl Mercedes 36/220 1m38.8s S
? 1930, Howe, Earl Mercedes 1m38.4s
15 Aug 1931, Nash, Dick The Terror (GN) 1m29.2s
? 1932, Sullivan, Billy Lea-Francis 1m35.8s
26 Aug 1933, Hall, Eddie MG K3 1m26.6s
25 Aug 1934, Hall, Eddie MG K3 1m27.4s
21 Aug 1935, Hall, Eddie MG K3 1m23.2s
29 Aug 1936, Hadley, Bert Austin 7 1m22.2s
28 Aug 1937, Hadley, Bert Austin 7 1m31.4s
27 Aug 1938, Hadley, Bert Austin 7 1m23.0s
Ballybannon Hill (Castlewellen), (1.2 mi)
? 1929, Heyn, R.G. Bentley 65.0s
? Jun 1930, W. Lea-Francis 62.2s
10 Jun 1933, Ferguson, Victor MG Midget s/c 63.2s
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3051 Posts |
Posted - 18/07/2013 : 00:34:35
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Since we are expanding on the the Craigantlet theme can this M-type be identified? Could it possibly be Bobby Baird?
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
5987 Posts |
Posted - 18/07/2013 : 04:15:43
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Originally posted by Cathelijne
Does anyone have more on Victor Ferguson? He also drove a 750cc Midget in the 1931 (Craigantlet) event which can't have been anything but a C-type, hence my enquiry.
I had thought that perhaps Victor Ferguson might have been related to Harry Ferguson (of tractor and four wheel drive fame amongst other things), but I can find no reference to Harry Ferguson having any children. But I see that in the results of the 1933 Craigantlet published in the Belfast Newsletter he competed in two MGs (1086 c.c. and 746 c.c. (s)) both being entered by Victor Ltd., the MG agents for Northern Ireland - hence the trade plates and perhaps this also explains access to the J3 prototype. So perhaps he was a member of the Victor family through his mother's side as it's not uncommon for sons to be given their mother's maiden name as a first name in order to perpetuate the family name.
More research needed and I will follow up at home and see what can be found out. |
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
5987 Posts |
Posted - 18/07/2013 : 08:03:57
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| OK, the entry list for Craigantlet in 1933 only goes up to car number 18, but as there is no 747 cc supercharged MG in the list we must assume that it was a late entry - hence the number 20. And interestingly, the 1086 cc Magnette was entered by Victor Ltd., for Victor Ferguson to drive, but in the event it was also driven by Eddie Hall. So clearly Victor's were pretty well connected in the MG world in those days. |
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3051 Posts |
Posted - 18/07/2013 : 13:30:08
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Just thought I would add this detail.
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Cathelijne
Netherlands
744 Posts |
Posted - 18/07/2013 : 13:47:10
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Could this be Cupples in 1931 perhaps? Or does the entry list for 1933 give an 850cc Midget for number 16, Simon?
Sam, does your series of pictures indicate a year in some way? Could it be that they all relate to one and the same event? If this picture comes from the same series as the rest without doubt, I think we can exclude 1931 as a possibility. |
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