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Martin Warner
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 14/08/2009 : 16:54:40
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Brian
Thank you for your posting.
I never mean to cause offence although I do enjoy a heated discussion. It usually helps to get to the bottom of things more quickly than too much diplomacy.
I am concerned though that there is an air of Big Brother that someone is removing postings without other members of the discussion being aware of them. Unless of course they have nothing to say apart from abuse.
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Nick Feakes
USA
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Posted - 14/08/2009 : 23:24:48
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Martin
I am sorry if it feels like "Big Brother" is watching, however, I have only ever deleted posts that would be considered "offensive" or contain accusations made with the intention of causing offense.
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Brian Kelly
USA
526 Posts |
Posted - 15/08/2009 : 15:35:59
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At this point I have to throw my hands in the air and declare my mistake.
While I've been rereading the various posts on the K3 and the J4 issue I realise that I mistakenly confused the two issues when I made my last post on the K3 posting.
It was the J4 listing where the deletion occurred, I believe.
Apologies to Nick and all concerned.
Brian.
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David
United Kingdom
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F0355
South Africa
298 Posts |
Posted - 17/08/2009 : 16:02:03
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As recorded in the Max Zingg K3 book "M.G. for life" who owned K3014:
Magnette 3015
7AK, 2 November 1933, JB 3180. - First Magnette with >>Marshall<< supercharger, 1934 pointed tail, 1936 Monoposto body and replacement of frame. - 7/8 April 1934, Brescia/Italy, Coppa Mille Miglia, 1100 cc, 2nd, Count Giovanni >>Johnny<< Lurani (Italy)/Penn Hughes (England).- Works car, 1990 Switzerland*, 1992 England, 1994 Peter Gregory, Milton Common/Oxfordshire (England).
*>>Zurich banker Jurg Heer arrested in Thailand - According to the Swiss criminal investigation department, Heer embezzled, as head of the credit department of the Rothschild Bank, more than 60 million Swiss Francs between 1982 and 1992. He treated himself to a collection of 80 vintage cars, mostly very valuable<< (Blick, 8th October 1997)
Is this the car on auction at H&H in September? Engine number seems to have changed.
Peter Steyn
Johannesburg, RSA
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Ollie
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18/08/2009 : 12:33:20
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| I have observed with interest the content of the forum relating to K3015 - How many of you have bought or rather read "Magnette-ised" by the current custodian of K3015? It's all in there! |
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taterry
USA
107 Posts |
Posted - 19/08/2009 : 00:21:30
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"Magnette-ised", where would one find this publication? Is it online??
Terry in Oakland, CA
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peterfenichel
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/08/2009 : 14:52:34
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Originally posted by taterry
"Magnette-ised", where would one find this publication? Is it online??
Terry in Oakland, CA
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I believe H&H Auctions has copies for sale via their website or direct from Len Goff the author.
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George Eagle
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/08/2009 : 22:14:10
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I have spoken to Len Goff who wrote the book Magnette-ised who advised me there are still some copies available and these can be purchased from either Collectors Car books, who have a web site, or H & H auctioneers. Cost is something like ú30 plus post and packaging.
George Eagle
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Bob Stringfield
United Kingdom
854 Posts |
Posted - 16/09/2009 : 18:23:36
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The K3 was bid to ú210,000 in the room, said by the auctioneer to be 'A provisional sale - we will make an announcement very soon'. |
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Ollie
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16/09/2009 : 21:32:54
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| I understand K3015 has sold privately after auction, with the added bonus to the previous custodian of a promise of frankfurter sausages for the rest of his days! |
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Martin Warner
United Kingdom
85 Posts |
Posted - 24/09/2009 : 18:01:40
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I am glad to see that everyone seems to be calling it K3015 and dropping the unfounded suffix. I presume the sale price underlines the rightful belief that it is the real and historic car.
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Martin Warner
United Kingdom
85 Posts |
Posted - 28/09/2009 : 10:55:13
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| In the interest of future historical accuracy can we now expect the Triple-M committee to affirm the originality of K3015 as just sold by Len Goff. |
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Bob Clare
United Kingdom
278 Posts |
Posted - 28/09/2009 : 14:20:01
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Martin,
No, you cannot expect any such thing! As you well know (I've repeated the message often enough on the Forum) the Triple-M Register works from a set of "rules". You can access these on this site.
When I am acting as Registrar and have a case arise where two vehicles (or sometimes two piles of bits) claim the same chassis number, I carry out as much research as I can but if the issue is cloudy (as in the case of K 3015 and K 3015/2) if always refer the matter to the full Register Committee.
They then decide, in the light of the available evidence and in accordance withy the Register "rules", how the Register should describe each car's identity.
The historical information avaiable for both vehicles was presented to the Committee at its meeting on 7/10/01. The Committee agreed to designate the car at that time in the possession of Syd Beer as K 3015 and that in the possession of Peter Gregory, K 3015/2.
Of course, anyone outside the Register Committee is fully entitled to disagree with that ruling and indeed either current owner of the vehicles concerned can petition the Committee to re-consider the evidence (notes to Register rule 3).
Some future Triple-M Register Committee may change the "rules" in such a way that the Register calls both of these cars "K 3015". The AGM nest March will be the time for Martin and indeed any other voluteer, to put themselves forward to serve on the Committee.
In the meantime I will continue to operate the Register on the basis the the current "rules".
Finally, I wish to say that I "waste" much time responding to folk about the boy racers and the high value cars when I should be devoting efforts to help the ordinary owner of the ordinary J2 or whatever.
Bob Clare
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Bob Clare
United Kingdom
278 Posts |
Posted - 28/09/2009 : 14:22:12
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Sorry about the typos - pressed the wrong button ("post new reply" instead of "preview").
Maybe Nick you could put a "do you really want to do that??" window in the system to prevent premature postingS!!
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