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DickMorbey
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 22/10/2017 : 11:10:10
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Hello Russ, no point in emailing me at the moment because I am in Greece! But please refer to the contacts page at the top of the website where you will see the names of the individuals who are the registrars for the respective models. They are the people to contact.
Dick Morbey
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MaGic_GV
United Kingdom
868 Posts |
Posted - 23/10/2017 : 10:45:15
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It seems the world will never tire of conspiracy theories. Let me throw a little light on the situation, though it may only frustrate.
Take a hypothetical car, say PA4321, which was registered in 1968. The registrar will have taken for granted that the car existed, possibly a runner or a pile of bits, and it was issued with a number.
The owner turns up at events with car or parts thereof, until he/she eventually gets married/has kids/falls down a well and the car disappears from view.
Some years later PA4321 is registered as having a new owner and registrar duly notes it as such.
Further time passes and the owner who originally registered the car asks questions about restoration etc., clearly referring to PA4321. Registrar requires if he/she has repurchased the car - "No, its been in my garage for 30 years"
This is where the registrar requests identifying pics and docs. Are you with me so far?
A number of things may happen now, all of which have occurred during my short registrarship:
Both owners cooperate, one proving to have a non-original dumb iron, the other an original of the correct number. Thus that car is the original as it has the original chassis identity.
Both owners cooperate, but neither car has an original stamp on the knuckle. Possibly a chassis has been used because it was in better condition, matching it to the paperwork from another car, which later becomes the basis of its own rebuild. Hence conflicting data.
One owner does not cooperate, the other does, and in the cases I have seen his knuckle is apparently original.
The knuckle is in such poor condition through wear and tear that it is impossible the be sure about the number. Virtually all numbers can wear in such a way as to be difficult to decide its original designation. If there is no conflicting data then the documentation points to the correct decision, but this is not always possible.
And talking about documentation, sometimes it is a plain old mistake by the owner, the MG Car Co, and even, believe it or not, the registrar.
In general the Triple M number is carried by the car it was originally allocated to. If that car is in fact no longer the same car, i.e. if the chassis number has been misappropriated, the number remains with the original, so far as it can be established.
I could go on but I think I have illustrated that it is not a straightforward decision in many cases, and I am aware that there will be all sorts of caveats/questions/comments about the above. I am simply trying to illustrate the committee is working very hard at what is after all a hobby, and has no sinister intentions as often seems to be implied by comments above.
Regards,
Graham
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Russ Jackson
United Kingdom
102 Posts |
Posted - 23/10/2017 : 12:40:08
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Originally posted by DickMorbey
Hello Russ, no point in emailing me at the moment because I am in Greece! But please refer to the contacts page at the top of the website where you will see the names of the individuals who are the registrars for the respective models. They are the people to contact.
Dick Morbey
PA-PB0743
Frieth, Oxon, UK
hhahaha no worries dick....happy hols don't drink too much Sambuca...LOL |
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6000 Posts |
Posted - 23/10/2017 : 15:15:33
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Graham,
Are you able to say what has happened in the case of N0356 where an apparently well documented car, with, presumably, a V5C has a Register number in 2015 but by 2017 (I don't have my 2016 copy to hand) it has seemingly been deregistered and the number hasn't been allocated to another car?
Simon J
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Russ Jackson
United Kingdom
102 Posts |
Posted - 23/10/2017 : 15:28:23
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Originally posted by Simon Johnston
Graham,
Are you able to say what has happened in the case of N0356 where an apparently well documented car, with, presumably, a V5C has a Register number in 2015 but by 2017 (I don't have my 2016 copy to hand) it has seemingly been deregistered and the number hasn't been allocated to another car?
Simon J
J3437
my guess would be at the owners request.....although for me this would just add more questions |
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Cooperman
United Kingdom
755 Posts |
Posted - 23/10/2017 : 19:35:18
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Originally posted by Russ Jackson
my guess would be at the owners request.....although for me this would just add more questions
But the advert says Currently there is no owner set for this vehicle. Hows that?
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O.Thomas
United Kingdom
755 Posts |
Posted - 23/10/2017 : 19:47:44
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| The bit at the bottom says "last updated 2014", probably when the car was in the USA |
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6000 Posts |
Posted - 30/10/2017 : 06:31:27
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Originally posted by Simon Johnston
Graham,
Are you able to say what has happened in the case of N0356 where an apparently well documented car, with, presumably, a V5C has a Register number in 2015 but by 2017 (I don't have my 2016 copy to hand) it has seemingly been deregistered and the number hasn't been allocated to another car?
Bump!
Simon J
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6000 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2017 : 19:29:20
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Originally posted by Simon Johnston
Graham,
Are you able to say what has happened in the case of N0356 where an apparently well documented car, with, presumably, a V5C has a Register number in 2015 but by 2017 (I don't have my 2016 copy to hand) it has seemingly been deregistered and the number hasn't been allocated to another car?
Another week, another 'bump' 
Simon J
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6000 Posts |
Posted - 23/11/2017 : 10:48:11
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I have been assured by someone who should know that the omission of the Register number for this car in its listing in the 2017 printed Register is simply a consequence of the transfer of data to the database from which it is also missing and that the car has not been ‘de Registered’. Perhaps the Chairman or the Registrar could confirm this and remove the confusion surrounding the car.
Simon J
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DickMorbey
United Kingdom
3672 Posts |
Posted - 23/11/2017 : 11:14:35
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Simon, I am happy to give you and readers that confirmation, which has also been discussed amicably and constructively with the car's owner, which is the level at which car-specific matters should first be addressed.
I did say in a previous posting that the committee will be reviewing this and related matters when it meets on Sunday and we will make the promised announcement after that.
Regards
Dick Morbey
PA-PB0743
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6000 Posts |
Posted - 23/11/2017 : 11:23:25
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Thank you, Dick. I’m not sure why this couldn’t have been said at the outset rather than all the business of it not having been allocated a number, etc., etc. And presumably the fact that the Register number was omitted from the printed Register and the car itself from the online database is purely an unfortunate coincidence and nothing whatsoever to do with whatever ongoing discussions you may be having with the car’s owner which are clearly not for discussion with the general membership.
Simon J
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DickMorbey
United Kingdom
3672 Posts |
Posted - 23/11/2017 : 11:29:10
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Simon, confirmed. The owner had maintained a dignified silence on the Forum and rang me on this and other matters yesterday.
Regards
Dick Morbey
PA-PB0743
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6000 Posts |
Posted - 23/11/2017 : 12:02:55
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Dick,
Thank you again. If you'd explained four weeks ago that this was a simple transcription error instead of all the obfuscation we've had, we could all have maintained a dignified silence
Simon J
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MarkH
United Kingdom
149 Posts |
Posted - 23/11/2017 : 19:34:18
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But did you ask four weeks ago if this was a simple transcription error?
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