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JCB
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 29/01/2021 : 20:02:56
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Dick and Forum:
Not whishing to cut across Robert R.'s post.
I will start a new thread.
My question is Mike Allison's transcribed records; are they available?
If so where please.
All the best.
John Bakewell
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DickMorbey
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29/01/2021 : 20:19:20
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John, this crossed with the posting I have just made on the Robert thread!
The data obtained by Mike Allison's researches forms part of the Register's records which now reside within our secure database.
Dick Morbey
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JCB
United Kingdom
384 Posts |
Posted - 29/01/2021 : 20:29:53
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Dick and Forum:
Are there any plans to make this material available to the forum.?
Pity to let high value research remain in purdah .
All the best.
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Teifion
United Kingdom
135 Posts |
Posted - 29/01/2021 : 22:27:13
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Does 'secure database' mean members have access to it Dick?
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DickMorbey
United Kingdom
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Ian Bowers
United Kingdom
938 Posts |
Posted - 30/01/2021 : 07:38:52
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The work and resulting records produced by Mike Allison are his copyright unless he has expressly assigned it to some other body.
On that basis can you confirm that he accepts that the records should be retained within a 'secure database' and access controlled by the MMM committee to criteria defined by that committee.
It would be more than interesting to hear from Mike, his view on this.
Ian Bowers
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DickMorbey
United Kingdom
3672 Posts |
Posted - 30/01/2021 : 09:18:36
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Yes, confirmed.
Dick Morbey
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Teifion
United Kingdom
135 Posts |
Posted - 30/01/2021 : 09:27:44
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Thanks Dick#128077;
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6023 Posts |
Posted - 30/01/2021 : 11:13:30
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quote:
Originally posted by JCB
Dick and Forum:
Are there any plans to make this material available to the forum.?
Pity to let high value research remain in purdah .
John,
Just to be clear - are you seriously suggesting that the data that the Register, and thus the MG Car Club, holds on factory production, which you yourself say is 'high value research', should just be published, for free, on an Internet forum?
Simon J
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Edited by - Simon Johnston on 30/01/2021 11:13:59 |
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6023 Posts |
Posted - 30/01/2021 : 12:07:13
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian Bowers
The work and resulting records produced by Mike Allison are his copyright unless he has expressly assigned it to some other body.
On that basis can you confirm that he accepts that the records should be retained within a 'secure database' and access controlled by the MMM committee to criteria defined by that committee.
It would be more than interesting to hear from Mike, his view on this.
Ian,
I think you'll find that any copyright is held by the MG Car Club. My understanding is that what Mike did was to transcribe some of the data from the chassis files owned by the Club into Excel spreadsheets for use by the Club.
Frankly, the idea that these should then be made freely available on a public Internet forum is bizarre.
Simon J
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Ian Bowers
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30/01/2021 : 12:43:36
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Copyright to original material, and the work Mike did was unquestionably that, irrespective of the sources, is owned by the author who retains the right to make and distribute copies of any or all of it for their lifetime and 50 years after. The copyright can be licensed, transferred, sold or gifted but this requires a signed assignment.
It is not for me to say whether they should be freely available. I was simply pointing out that this right lies solely with the owner of the copyright and was asking for his views.
Ian Bowers
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6023 Posts |
Posted - 30/01/2021 : 13:31:55
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Ian,
Have a look at ‘The Copyright and Rights in Databases Regulations, 1997’. In there you’ll see that database copyright, if indeed it exists this case, is limited to 15 years from the creation of the database, not 50.
Simon J
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Ian Bowers
United Kingdom
938 Posts |
Posted - 30/01/2021 : 16:13:20
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Simon, I hope this discussion doesn't err to another 3 page epic to bore the majority of readers! But, extracted from a solicitor's web site:
"A database is a wide definition which will cover traditional mailing lists and lists of customers as well as telephone directories, encyclopaedias and card indexes, whether held electronically or in paper form. There is however a distinction to be drawn between a database and its individual components. Database right protects the collection of data, not its constituent elements. These elements may or may not be protected in their own right separately from any protection afforded to the database as a whole."
Which suggests the author continues to own the copyright of the content of the database for the period to and beyond death, but copyright of the format lasts only 15 years from its authorship.
Which leaves it to be far more confusing than I suspected.
Still, what is the view of the copyright owner as to accessibility?
Ian Bowers
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6023 Posts |
Posted - 30/01/2021 : 16:40:57
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Ian,
Article 17 of the above Regulations
17.—(1) Database right in a database expires at the end of the period of fifteen years from the end of the calendar year in which the making of the database was completed.
You may presume that the creator of the database is the copyright owner but when the creator is a member of a club and is using the data provided by the club to create something for the club it’s hard to see how he then gets copyright over the result. I would have thought that there is an analogy with an employee creating a database for his or her employer; the employee doesn’t own the copyright, the employer does.
Edit: What? We’re still page one? Must try harder 
Simon J
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tholden
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30/01/2021 : 17:15:01
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Come on chaps we are already bored - have your discussions about copyright off line if you really must.
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gsrun
United Kingdom
180 Posts |
Posted - 30/01/2021 : 17:23:42
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Well said TH - I am sure many of us agree with you!
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