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bgerity
USA
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 Posted - 26/03/2018 : 18:37:38
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Hello,
I recently purchased MGJ2 J3201 and have added my name to the register. This looks like a wonderful group for research and restoration help, and I am very happy to be here. My first step is to recreate a comprehensive owner history for the vehicle. Thanks to the register, I now know that the car was owned by Stanley Miller Cottrell of Cullompton, Devon with an original registration of OD 6819. I have managed to track down some of his family members and they are collecting more information for me. I also know that the car moved from England to Australia, and then to Hong Kong, before coming to the US thanks to documents with the car, and the daughter of the Hong Kong/USA owner of the car. I have a big hole in who owned the car in Australia and was wondering if anyone has further information on OD 6819. Thanks again,
Brent |
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Ian Bowers
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26/03/2018 : 18:47:58
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That is interesting in a sideways way!
I own OD 6791, J3772, also bought by a resident of Devon, Paignton (Miss E V Watson) and registered on 1 Sept 1933. Its first competitive appearance was at the end of September that year.
It would be interesting to know if you have the name of the supplying garage.
Enjoy the car, they are great fun, and easy to work on.
Ian Bowers
OD 6791
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bgerity
USA
66 Posts |
Posted - 26/03/2018 : 18:53:42
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Hello Ian, I do have that info:
1933, May 22 - Heard Bros Dealership, Bideford, Devon
1933, Sept 6 - Registered to S.M. Cottrell who was 21 years old and a farmer.
Not sure mine has any competitive history but I'm sure a 21 year old didn't hold back on the spirited drive! |
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colintf
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26/03/2018 : 20:18:19
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Hello and welcome Brent.
This really is a great group and really is a big help and source of encouragement
Enjoy your J2
Colin
Colin Murrell
D0285
Photographer for MGCC (LeMans Classic, Oldtimer Grand Prix etc) & MG Motor (BTCC 2012-5)
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Matthew Magilton
Australia
179 Posts |
Posted - 26/03/2018 : 23:36:46
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Hello Brent,
Are you able to bracket the years that your J2 was in Australia?
I did not spot it on my old Australian list.
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bgerity
USA
66 Posts |
Posted - 27/03/2018 : 02:08:03
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Matthew, thanks for your help. I don't know when it left England but most likely after WWII. I have documentation of the J2 arriving in Hong Kong in 1975. Unfortunately, that is all I have for that time period.
Brent |
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Matthew Magilton
Australia
179 Posts |
Posted - 27/03/2018 : 07:24:40
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OK, I will keep a watch out for it.
Matthew. |
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Brian Kelly
USA
526 Posts |
Posted - 27/03/2018 : 18:53:54
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Hello Brent.
Congratulations on your ownership of J3201.
J3201 is listed in the 1982 MMM Register , and also in the Register of 1961-1986.
1982:
J3201. MMM Register No. 1107.
Engine No. 855B. Reg. OD 6819.
Owner.J.G. Buchanan.
Hydraulic Brakes.
1982 yearbook also lists address' of owners,
unfortunately no address is listed for Buchanan.
1961-1986 and also 1996 Register.
J3201 MMM Reg. No. 1107.
Engine. 855B.
Owner. Warren D. Sievy. U.S.A.
Hydraulic Brakes.
The car is not listed in either of the J2 books by Mike Hawke.
Good luck with further research on the history of the car. Have fun!
Brian.
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bgerity
USA
66 Posts |
Posted - 27/03/2018 : 20:30:21
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Brian,
Thank you very much for this information. I have a few scraps of paper with Buchanan's name and a reference to a Singapore registration so that might help me tie something together. Is the 1961 - 1986 register just a way of saying that Sievy was listed as owner within this time frame and not the entire 61 - 86 time frame? Hopefully that makes sense. It does have hydraulic brakes still.
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bgerity
USA
66 Posts |
Posted - 29/03/2018 : 15:58:17
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Thanks in part to those who have replied to this thread and a new package of old documentation discovered by the previous owner, I have successfully debunked the claim that J3201 was in Australia. It was not! I can now confirm that John G. Buchanan restored the car in England in the late 1960s with Caffyns Ltd in Kent England and then took it to Northern Italy. I now have a fascinating news clipping of a vintage race he "won" at Monza around 1970. Is anyone familiar with a vintage race called "Coppa Monza" from that time?
Brent |
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JMH
United Kingdom
910 Posts |
Posted - 29/03/2018 : 18:01:24
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Afternoon Brent,
There is no mention of the car in either of Mike Hawkes books as he discovered very little about it & his notes are the same as those held by the Register. He lists "by 1970" for Buchanan "Italy & New York", then as owned by Sievy in 1985". The trail went cold with Warren Sievy for many years (unless Lew & the NAMMMR can shed any further light).
Research is all part of the fun & helps while away those Winter evenings.
All the best,
JH |
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bgerity
USA
66 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2018 : 15:34:16
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I am making very good progress on compiling a comprehensive history for J3201. The internet is proving very helpful, as I am now in contact with the original owner's family. I am curious if there is a way to obtain a scan from the original factory records. I have the data from the club, but wondered if a scan of the factory record is available?
Thank you,
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MaGic_GV
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/04/2018 : 06:58:32
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Brent, the chassis files, if any remain, will be available from MGCC main office for a small fee. The Register only has access to a small summary of this, but any letters, works notes etc. are not available without going direct to head office.
Regards,
Graham
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bgerity
USA
66 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2018 : 14:30:11
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Thank you Graham. I have contacted Kimber House for the information.
Cheers,
Brent |
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Mike the M
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/04/2018 : 12:51:12
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A friend, and relative of the first owner lives in our village, the next one to Kentisbeare, where Stanley Miller Cottrell lived.
The car was purchased by Stanley's aunt, Alice Miller who had a little shop in the Square in Kentisbeare. Stanley would have been 23 years old.
Stanley was the eldest of three boys of Jesse and Edna Laura Cottrell (nee Millar), Stanley, Herbert and Leslie Gerald, known as Gerald. Gerald is the only one left, born 7 December 1924. Gerald remembers the car being red, but does not remember riding in it.
I cannot find any references to him trialling the car in "Cowbourne".
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bgerity
USA
66 Posts |
Posted - 13/04/2018 : 14:11:56
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Mike D,
Thank you very much for this information. I have sent you a direct message with some details I have been given by another relative of Stanley. This is very helpful.
-Brent
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