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Cathelijne
Netherlands
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 Posted - 18/07/2013 : 14:07:40
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If Bobby Baird and W. R. ( ) Baird are one and the same, then his M-type was 2M1218, registered AZ 4613.
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18/07/2013 : 14:30:46
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Cat,
Number 16 in 1933 was a 4 1/2 litre Bentley! But yes, W. R. Baird was Bobby Baird, scion of the family that owned the Belfast Telegraph and an avid (if not always very successful) racing driver. There are several threads on the Forum about him and his R type and K3.
P.S. Glad you're getting the hang of initials and full stops. It's amusing to see how the VSCC Prescott entry list has been done see
http://www.vscc.co.uk/page/events?eventID=785 |
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Cathelijne
Netherlands
744 Posts |
Posted - 18/07/2013 : 14:52:51
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Ah, so then it could be the 1931 event still?
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
5999 Posts |
Posted - 18/07/2013 : 15:41:34
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Unfortunately the Ulster Automobile club have no information on earlier events, other then who set fastest time, so it isn't at this stage possible to give a definitive yea or a nay to it being 1931. But on the face of it, it seems plausible that the car in Sam's photos is that of Bobby Baird given the AZ registration number.
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
5999 Posts |
Posted - 18/07/2013 : 16:26:29
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| Hmm...just noticed it's AZ 3.... Doh! |
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3056 Posts |
Posted - 18/07/2013 : 17:17:57
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The picture of the M-type is not from the collection which the others belong to.I do not know its origin.
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Cathelijne
Netherlands
744 Posts |
Posted - 18/07/2013 : 17:44:12
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| Okay, so everything, including venue, is open to possibilities again?! Or do we stick with Craigantlet? Sam, did the badge come with the picture? |
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3056 Posts |
Posted - 18/07/2013 : 18:17:35
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The badge image is from the internet and purely for illustration.But the M is definitely at Craigantlet.
I am sure the other pictures are all at Craigantlet.
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tjackson
Australia
105 Posts |
Posted - 20/07/2013 : 05:30:59
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Back to the car in Sam’s photo at the start of this thread, does anyone have a period report for the 1933 Monte Carlo Rally, particularly E.S.Prestwich in Car No. 71? He is listed as starting in Bucharest (which seems odd) and retired.
Cheers,Tim |
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
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tjackson
Australia
105 Posts |
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
5999 Posts |
Posted - 20/07/2013 : 07:20:48
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| Ah, that explains it! |
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Vitesse
United Kingdom
234 Posts |
Posted - 20/07/2013 : 12:17:30
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Originally posted by tjackson
Back to the car in Sam’s photo at the start of this thread, does anyone have a period report for the 1933 Monte Carlo Rally, particularly E.S.Prestwich in Car No. 71? He is listed as starting in Bucharest (which seems odd) and retired.
Cheers,Tim
Bucharest was always a high points-scoring start, because of the difficulty. Many of the really serious competitors would start from places like Bucharest, Athens, Riga or Malmo because a clean run - or even with a few penalties - gave you an advantage over starters from Harrogate, Amsterdam or Berlin by the time you got to Monte Carlo.
This French site might be of interest, since it also includes lots of pictures, sorted by years. Nothing of Prestwich in 1933, though:
http://rallyemontecarlo.unblog.fr/ |
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Mike the M
United Kingdom
481 Posts |
Posted - 29/07/2013 : 21:06:04
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Hello Sam,
1. The original picture is super!
2. The picture of AZ 3*** is from 1932 Graigantlet as it is on the caption under the picture, but I cannot remember where I found the picture!
3. E. S. Prestwich was due to start at Bucharest but started from Warsaw in 1933 in a 749cc Midget, and retired! In 1932 he started from Umea in a 2050cc Singer, but again retired. All according to Cowbourne
4. According to the chassis files, then William R. Baird was the first owner of 2M 1218, a 2 seater Blue, from Alexander of Belfast, then Harry Ferguson Ltd., Belfast. How do you know the registration number Cat? Only AZ**** in the files!
Cheers Mike
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
5999 Posts |
Posted - 26/09/2013 : 13:22:52
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Since the connection between Victor Ferguson and M.G. was left hanging earlier in this thread I thought that I would add some clarification that materialised as a result of a following up on a comment in one of Mike Allison's excellent articles in Safety Fast about his chats with Reg Jackson. In describing the preparation of Nuvolari's K3 for the 1933 TT, Reg referred to the fact that the factory had close links with Ferguson's in Belfast where the K3 was finished off. It turns out that Victor Ltd., the M.G. agent in Belfast was in fact owned by Victor Ferguson who was a brother of Harry Ferguson (of tractor and 4WD fame). Harry Ferguson, of course, was one of the prime movers behind the Ards TT and he made his own garage premises (Harry Ferguson & Co) available for scrutineering for the races.
So this explains the connection between Victor Ferguson being entered as the driver for what were seemingly works cars entered by the main M.G. agent, Victor Ltd., some of which actually ended up being driven by Eddie Hall. |
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